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2 Interviews with Dr. Bruce Perry

1. This was shared by @Emily Read Daniels, via Twitter, over the weekend. Bruce Perry back on The Trauma Therapist | Podcast

 

It's excellent and interesting.

I feel like I finally understand what the neurosequential model is and how and why it's been so useful to families and survivors as well as therapists. For me, hearing information explained, versus just reading about a concept, helps me understand it better. Here are just a few snippets but they make more sense in the context of this interview:

"I've always believed that if you you understand a little bit about how the brain works and how the brain changes that you be more effective at therapeutics, and more effective as a parent, you'll be more effective as a coach - I mean anything you do to try and change the brain, if you understand kind of some of the rules about how the brain works you're more likely to be useful or effective."

"...the brain develops in a sequential way that the brain processes information and sequence away. And we realized, you know, that maybe we should think about healing and doing therapeutics in a sequential way, they sort of work with the lower parts of the brain, and then the middle parts, and then the top parts
and that's kind of where the neurosequential model evolved is from that
that conceptualization."

2. This was shared by the Trauma Project on Facebook. Healing from unspeakable trauma: a conversation with Dr. Bruce Perry (www.radiocafe.media)

Here are just a few quotes,  but tune in to the whole interview for the fuller context:

"Raising children is extremely challenging."

".. it's just very, very hard to raise kids, period. But when you don't have relational resources and you don't have economic resources, it's much harder." 

"As it turns out, not a lot of my mental health peers are going to love this comment but, the majority of therapeutic interactions that happen take place outside of therapy, they are these momentary interactions with people where the person feels heard, feel safe in that interaction, they feel respected. It's not necessarily the words you say, it's the presence you gave. The most therapeutics I ever knew was a janitor. He hardly ever spoke. He was always available to listen, and reflect back reassurance, comfort, respect, and that was a powerful, powerful therapeutic experience for all of the kids he interacted with."

"....Children who have opportunities to have lots of little positive relational interactions with people throughout the day are are able to get these tiny little doses of stress activation that are healing, if that system needs to be healed. The number of positive relational interactions you have over the day is the best predictor of how you are going to do emotionally, socially, behaviorally independent of how bad your developmental trauma was growing up."

"We all seek familiarity." 

"We prefer the familiar even to the comfortable." 

"One of the things we know about child abuse and neglect is that the more there is social isolation, the more there is a rise in child abuse and neglect."

"Some of the more challenging kids end up getting 6, 10, 15 placements, because they're completely misunderstood and it leads to this cascade of problems."

"I feel like this is part of a broader movement to make our culture more developmentally sensitive, more trauma-informed and trauma-aware. And, i think, in the long run, as people learn these things and then act on them, we're going to significant changes in a lot of areas that these kids and families have to deal with."

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Cheryl:
That's wonderful you got to acknowledge and share how important those visits were for you and how something so BIG for you can be ordinary or daily in the lives of others. It's also a good reminder for us, who are parents, to just be there, kind and present, to ALL in the lives of our kids because who knows what is happening for them. I also had wonderful safe haven friends and places where I could go. I'm not sure I've thanked my old friends or their parents so I'm going to have to have to think about that. Thanks for your comment!
Cis

I just love this gem

the majority of therapeutic interactions that happen take place outside of therapy, they are these momentary interactions with people where the person feels heard, feel safe in that interaction, they feel respected. It's not necessarily the words you say, it's the presence you gave.

I remember as a teen in order to escape from my chaotic home, I'd go to spend weekends at my friend's place. Her parents were always accepting, never asking too many questions - her mother would make me something to eat which psychologically was hugely healing, while her dad would be silently around tolerating our teen antics. We'd stay up late at night, giggling and her mom would come around admonishing us to sleep. Having their home to go to is what saved me from totally going off the bend.

Recently, after more 30 years when I told my friend that I will always be grateful for what your parents did for me. She was surprised by saying, but you were not really here much. For me, it was life-saving, maybe for them, it was just part of their daily life since they were always getting visitors to their home.  

However, I'll always be grateful for kind souls like these whose PRESENCE literally saved me.

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